{"id":42477,"date":"2015-02-02T12:15:05","date_gmt":"2015-02-02T10:15:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/?p=42477"},"modified":"2023-09-26T15:23:14","modified_gmt":"2023-09-26T13:23:14","slug":"new-raspberry-pi-2-released","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/diy\/new-raspberry-pi-2-released\/","title":{"rendered":"New Raspberry Pi 2 Released"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A deep discussion with Raspberry Pi founder about a new generation of Raspberry Pi by <a href=\"http:\/\/makezine.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MAKE Magazine<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_front.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-42478 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_front-300x300.png\" alt=\"rpi_front\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_front-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_front-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_front.png 620w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\"><em>Photo by makezine.com<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_back.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-42479 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_back-300x300.png\" alt=\"rpi_back\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_back-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_back-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/rpi_back.png 620w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\"><em>Photo by makezine.com<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">On the face of it the new Raspberry Pi 2 looks very similar to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-8gb?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B+<\/a>, so similar in fact that if you sit them down next to each other the only\u00a0way to tell them apart for sure is to flip the boards over and check for the presence of the SDRAM chip. Because unlike the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-8gb?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B+<\/a> which used the same package-on-package (PoP) memory as the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-revision-2-0?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">original Model B<\/a>, the new board has moved the RAM off-board to a separate chip.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The two boards look so similar because the\u00a0main\u00a0change to the Pi isn\u2019t\u00a0visible \u2014 the single 700MHz ARMv6 core has been replaced by a quad core ARMv7 running at 900MHz. While there are some other minor changes, the only other major change beyond this has been to\u00a0increase the onboard memory from 512MB to 1GB.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Although while idling the new Pi will not consume any\u00a0more power than the previous generation of boards, when all\u00a0four cores are being used the new board will consume more power and \u2014 due to increased leakage \u2014 will get much hotter. Hot enough that you might want to think about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.digikey.com\/product-search\/en?x=0&amp;y=0&amp;lang=en&amp;site=us&amp;keywords=345-1098-ND\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">adding a heat sink<\/a>, especially if you intend to overclock the chip.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">While the new board ships with the cores clocked at 900MHz we\u2019ve been told that it\u2019ll run comfortably overclocked to higher speeds. So comfortably in fact that it was originally intended to ship the boards clocked to 800MHz and this was only changed in the last few days leading up to launch \u2014 no doubt there will be some people that\u2019ll want to push the boundaries even further, to higher speeds.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cWe were being conservative on the frequency in case we encountered issues in production. In practice, we\u2019ve found we\u2019re fine at 900MHz, with significant overclocking headroom over that.\u00a0\u201d \u2014 Eben Upton, CEO at Raspberry Pi<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The\u00a0shift from an ARMv6 to ARMv7 is an important move for the Foundation as the original Pi was one of the few boards in widespread circulation using the older v6 architecture, and as a result <a href=\"http:\/\/answers.ros.org\/question\/201469\/raspian-armhf-package-repository-plans\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">some software projects had no plans<\/a> to ever support it. Beyond that, efforts like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ubuntu.com\/things\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ubuntu Core for connected devices<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 which is only supported on ARMv7 and x86 \u2014 can be easily ported to the new generation of Pi boards.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">However while the new board will need an ARMv7 kernel and modules, user space binaries built for ARMv6 can continue to be used, which means that the new board is fully software compatible with existing Raspberry Pi distributions of Linux.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">So from today you should\u00a0be able to \u2018<em>apt-get upgrade\u2019<\/em> on an existing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspbian.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Raspbian<\/a>\u00a0installation to add an ARMv7 kernel to your distribution. The SD card can then be used \u2014 assuming it\u2019s a Micro SD Card \u2014 to boot either a first or second generation Pi. Card images, along with a new <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/help\/noobs-setup\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">NOOBS<\/a> image, will also be posted that support both boards.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">When we sat down and\u00a0talked\u00a0with\u00a0Eben\u00a0last week ahead of today\u2019s launch, we also tried to dig into some of the more technical points behind the design of the new generation of boards.<\/p>\n<div class=\"lyte-wrapper\" title=\"In-Depth with the Raspberry Pi 2\" style=\"width:640px;max-width:100%;margin:5px auto;\"><div class=\"lyMe hidef\" id=\"WYL_iBU4aIYnyuI\"><div id=\"lyte_iBU4aIYnyuI\" data-src=\"https:\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/iBU4aIYnyuI\/maxresdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\">In-Depth with the Raspberry Pi 2<\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/iBU4aIYnyuI\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/iBU4aIYnyuI\/0.jpg\" alt=\"In-Depth with the Raspberry Pi 2\" width=\"640\" height=\"340\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:640px;margin:5px auto;\"><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>The new BCM2836 SoC is more or less the old BCM2835 with the ARMv6 core cut out and a v7 quad core dropped in it\u2019s place. However there are some other minor changes can you talk about those?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">There aren\u2019t any changes to the USB subsystem, but the power system has received a tweak. 2835 has an on-board SMPS: this wasn\u2019t large enough to supply the current needed by the quad Cortex complex, so it was removed, and Pi 2 uses an external SMPS chip. Also, as the Cortex complex has its own 512KB L2 cache, we no longer use the 128KB system L2 \u2014 ARM traffic goes directly to SDRAM instead.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>A lot of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">documentation has been released for the BCM2835<\/a>, how relevant is this going to be to the BCM2836. Do you see Broadcom or yourselves releasing any more details about the lower level workings of the new chip?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">All of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">released documentation<\/a> for 2835 applies directly to 2836. I\u2019m hoping Broadcom will be able to release some additional data about hardware blocks on the chip (notably the high-speed interfaces and video scaler) in due course, but this isn\u2019t committed yet.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>You moved the memory from a package-on-package module into a separate chip on the rear side of the board. What drove that design decision? Does it have any advantages or disadvantages compared to the original PoP design?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">We had to move to a 14\u00d714 BGA for 2836, so a 12\u00d712 PoP wouldn\u2019t fit comfortably atop it. Primary downside: more PCB complexity. Primary upside: better thermals, as 2836 is now exposed directly to the air.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>There are some v6 instruction sets that won\u2019t be present in the new v7 chip. What are they, and do you think their absence will be particularly widely felt in the community?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">The main userland difference is the lack of \u201cshort vector mode\u201d in the FPU. This isn\u2019t ever used in general purpose code: the only place I\u2019m aware of it being used is in some media acceleration routines which we were responsible for ourselves and which aren\u2019t enabled on 2836 (there are much better v7 versions available instead).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>There was some speculation that a new board might make use of the BCM11130 \u2014 the same processor used in the Roku 3 \u2014 was that ever considered? Any reasons why, or why not?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">We were keen to maintain full compatibility with BCM2835, and while BCM11130 is a great chip it has a rather different architecture which would have invalidated quite a lot of the low-level tutorials out there.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>One of the reasons that this rumor was running around was that the BCM11130 has both Ethernet and USB onboard. The Pi has faced some criticism for running Ethernet traffic over the USB bus using the LAN9154. You\u2019ve noted before that you don\u2019t think this is a problem, can you talk about that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">Well, you have a 100Mbit interface downstream of a 480Mbit interface, so I\u2019ve never been sure why some people are concerned by this choice. The nice thing about BCM11130 is that it has Gigabit Ethernet, but we didn\u2019t see this as a strong enough requirement to justify a compatibility break.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Do you think the presence of the quad core will help makers, or industrial customers, who need low-level access to hardware?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">I think it will help everyone to some extent. On the maker side, I\u2019m looking forward to seeing some more sophisticated computer vision apps exploiting OpenCV+SMP+NEON.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Did the design for the new Raspberry Pi 2 influence the board design of the Model B+ which was <a href=\"http:\/\/makezine.com\/2014\/07\/14\/first-look-at-the-new-raspberry-pi-b\/\">released in the middle of last year<\/a>?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">Absolutely. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/author\/jamesadams\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">James<\/a> knew the pinout of 2836 before he finalized the <a href=\"http:\/\/makezine.com\/2014\/07\/14\/first-look-at-the-new-raspberry-pi-b\/\">design of B+<\/a>. The main influence was that all the connectors on B+ are very visibly pushed as far as possible towards the edge of the board to make room for the extra routing between 2836 and the SDRAM.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">The arrival of the new board also marks the Foundation\u2019s move into the US educational space with\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mattrichardson\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matt Richardson<\/a>, the author of <em>\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/make-getting-started-with-raspberry-pi-2e?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Getting Started with the Raspberry Pi<\/a>,\u201d<\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/a-hello-from-a-hobbyist-turned-evangelist\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">joining them<\/a> as their first US-based employee.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">\u201cAlthough\u00a0Raspberry Pi is already\u00a0very popular in the United States,\u00a0we\u2019re working to improve\u00a0our outreach to schools, libraries, museums, maker\u00a0spaces, and individual hobbyists. This year,\u00a0Pi enthusiasts within the US will notice a more robust\u00a0Raspberry Pi presence\u00a0at local\u00a0workshops and events.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">I\u2019m\u00a0so\u00a0excited that Raspberry Pi 2 Model B is now available and I can\u2019t wait to see what people\u00a0do with it. Not only does the performance gain make\u00a0it a much more powerful\u00a0tool for makers, but it\u00a0also helps to advance our educational mission by improving the learning experience.\u201d \u2014\u00a0Matt Richardson,\u00a0US Evangelist at Raspberry Pi<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raspberrypi.org\/about\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">education mission<\/a> behind the Raspberry Pi is often overlooked by\u00a0the maker community, but it\u00a0is the driver behind the release of the new board.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201c\u2026we\u2019re a not for profit, we exist to try and get kids programming.\u201d\u2014 Eben Upton<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The increase in performance between the original <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-revision-2-0?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B<\/a>,\u00a0and today\u2019s new board, means that the new Raspberry Pi 2 is a much more\u00a0viable\u00a0as a general purpose computer.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The new board is\u00a0available today at the same price as the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-8gb?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B+<\/a>, and will sit\u00a0alongside the\u00a0three current Pi\u2019s \u2014 the original\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-revision-2-0?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B<\/a>, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-8gb?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model\u00a0B+<\/a> and the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-a?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model\u00a0A+<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 which will all continue in distribution.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cWe don\u2019t end of life. As long as\u00a0people want to buy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-revision-2-0?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Raspberry Pi Model B<\/a>\u2018s, we\u2019ll keep making <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-revision-2-0?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Raspberry Pi Model B<\/a>\u2018s\u2026\u201d \u2014 Eben Upton<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">While there doesn\u2019t seem to my any intention \u2014 at least in the short term \u2014 to replace the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-a?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Raspberry Pi Model A+<\/a>,\u00a0which sits at the low end of the Pi range <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-a?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">retailing at just $20<\/a>,\u00a0with a Raspberry Pi 2, Model A, the same thing was said about the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.makershed.com\/products\/raspberry-pi-model-b-8gb?utm_source=makezine&amp;utm_medium=blog&amp;utm_campaign=new&amp;utm_content=pi2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Model B+<\/a> and look what happened there..?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>Alasdair Allan<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A deep discussion with Raspberry Pi founder about a new generation of Raspberry Pi by MAKE Magazine Photo by makezine.com Photo by makezine.com On the face of it the new Raspberry Pi 2 looks very similar to the Model B+, so similar in fact that if you sit them down next to each other the&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":42478,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42477","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-diy","category-2","description-off"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42477","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42477"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42477\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42478"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42477"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42477"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cqdx.ru\/ham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42477"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}